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neil@kobalt
27-02-08, 01:56
Two weeks ago I arrived in the workshop to find a box marked Astoria, Oregon. Well, the only company we deal with in Oregon is Danger Den so I knew exactly what lurked inside:

http://www.kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/block 1.jpg

- two pre production 3870 X2 water blocks. I'm building a system in our Apache ICE chassis for a feature in a certain UK publication and so got in contact with Dan at Danger Den to see what they had in store for these cards. They will be running in crossfire but at the moment I can only report on the performance of one card ;)

Some of you may remember the 7950 GX2 block I wrote a small article in 2006. I managed to get an early pre production sample of that and Danger Den have come through for us again with the 3870 X2 block. It's worth mentioning how good this block looks in the flesh. It's fair to say that the NV88GTX blocks weren't a work of art but the semi-transparent acrylic and finish on the copper (it isn't sand blasted btw!!) really looks the part.

Although the block is a bit of a monster, fitting it wasn't a problem. This is a pre production sample so the design/attachments may change but the instructions were clear. Care needs to be taken with some of the thermal pad cutting however it's no more complicated than doing a GTX block, just takes a bit longer.

OCZ HYDROFLOW

We also have an brand new CPU block from OCZ, which is even more pre production than the 3870 block! It is the best looking block we have seen, build quality is excellent and it performs very well :cool: I have been testing it against a D-TEK Fuzion block with a QX9650 and have about half the results I need for a proper review which I will post in due course. A couple of points to note in it's favour are:

-Low profile meaning it's easier to integrate into a loop (less pipe bending etc)
-Barbs are nice and far apart making it easier to install
-A backplate is included :-) Anyone familiar with CPU blocks will be aware of the bending board issue, even to the point sometimes of moving the MOSFETs away from their heatsinks. The backplate does a great job of keeping the board straight and suitable washers are included. There was nothing to intefere with the plate on the Maximus Formula however I think there may be an issue with 680i boards from memory so obviously best to check no chips are going to be squashed!
-Two sets of spacers are included which change the pressure of the block on the CPU. The top pressure is quite a way above the Intel recommended btw so be careful!!! The initial results below were with no spacers so at 55lbs. The spacers go to 70lbs and 100lbs.

All in all it's a very nice piece of kit. There are supports that screw through the board into the backplate and then thumscrews (as seen in pics) hold the plate down. The plate is an integral part of the block unlike (for example) the D-TEK and it all fits together very nicely.

http://www.kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/HYDROFLOW_closeup.jpg

neil@kobalt
27-02-08, 02:02
This is really just a preview so here are the details of the loop until I get the full review and results up:

Loop: all 1/2" ID with High Flow barbs
Pump: Laing DCC Ultra
Rad: Thermochill PA 120.3 (the finished system will have another rad in the loop)
Fans: ACRyan UV Blue
Control: T-Balancer
CPU: QX9650 with OCZ HYDROFLOW block
GPU: HIS 3870 X2 with Danger Den block
MB: ASUS Maximus Formula (have the stock heatpipes on for now....)
PSU: Enermax Galaxy 1000W

Some very quick readings with room temp @ constant 22C, humidity @ 32% and using CoreTemp for CPU and Catalyst for GPU temps. All the results below were taken with the ACRyan fans running at 40% (whisper quiet and at up to 4GHz the CPU only idle/loads 1-2C lower than with the fans at 80% thanks to the Thermochill :cool:):

OCZ HYDROFLOW

Initial results suggest that the OCZ block outperforms the D-TEK! At idle it's OCZ @ 30C and D-TEK @ 32C. This is CPU only in the loop. Under load there is less of a difference, hitting 39C (OCZ) and 40C (D-TEK) during wPrime runs. I did notice that the OCZ block seems to be more restrictive than the D-TEK, this was noticeable even in the ammount of turbalence in the res. Wether this will affect performance with a full loop is yet to be seen. With one card in the loop the results were again 2-0 to the OCZ though.


Danger Den 3870 X2 Block

Stock HIS HFS idle 61C
DD 3870 X2 block idle 30C

Stock HIS HFS full load 81C
DD 3870 X2 block load 33C

Idle temps recorded 10 mins after boot, load temps recorded during 3DMark06 @ 1920 x 1200 for 99/100% useage as reported by Catalyst. I suppose saying that there was a noticeable difference would be an understatement!!! The block cuts the idle temp in half. As you would expect the temperature increase on load is minimal so GPU overclockers will be in paradise! The GPU cores did clock from 825MHz to 860MHz on air, we'll see how it performs on water later but at the very least the temps will be much more civilised!

neil@kobalt
27-02-08, 12:15
Some more pics....

http://kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/block on 3870 X2_1.jpg

http://kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/blockon blockoff_1.jpg

As mentioned this is a pre production sample so I have added Zalman RAM heatsinks
http://kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/3870 X2 back.jpg


This was taken under testing - our cable management is better than this, trust me!!!!
http://kobaltcomputers.co.uk/reviews/Test OCZ_DD.jpg

neonplanet40
27-02-08, 13:40
That looks bloody awesome. I miss the days when i overclocked, back when it was old school :P

Think i may need to get into it again! But tbh overclock a 8800 ultra :P Its faster! lol

Let us know what overclocks you acheive!!

Will you's be selling waterkits seperately?

neil@kobalt
27-02-08, 13:53
It's the Crossfire performance I'm interested in though:) If it were a single card system then perhaps an Ultra is faster, however they are silly money compared to the ATI card. You'd be better off getting an 8800GTS 512MB.

Personally I would rather have two 3870 X2s than two NVIDIA cards in SLI atm. Intel chip boards are soooooo much more stable than 680/780s. No ramdom crashes, no DIMM killing (esp Striker:mad:) etc etc.

EDIT: no we don't have any immediate plans to sell WC kits/components seperately. We're doing well enough as system builders and the market is flooded with component resellers so it's not something I can see us getting into, for now anyway!

neonplanet40
27-02-08, 14:11
OK thanks for the reply!

yea i see what you mean about the intel board being mroe stable. especially for overclocking!

Tbh i dont use SLI or Crossfire as the drivers are far too flaky. I have the asus p5k premium with an Q6600 at 3.4 on air cooling without breaking a sweat. Love the P35 boards as im just not ready to pay for DDR3 atm or X38/48 boards.

I have an 320mb 8800gts and im currently waiting on the 9800GTX but it seems its just going to be an update of the 8800GTX, rather than a whole new card which is what i was hoping for!

But def let us know what clocks you get out of it!!!

mark

neil@kobalt
14-03-08, 13:53
I got 850MHz out of the cores, maybe it's because the driver (Catalyst 8.3) is still not really mature but it wasn't happy at more than this speed. It's stock at 825MHz, however on 8.2 with one card it ran fine at 860MHz and that was on air. Just didn't like running that fast with two cards.

Still, system hit 23.5K in 3DMark06. That's in Vista 64 so XP would score about 25K. 3DMark does love ATI cards though. Running on ASUS X38 Formula with 4GB OCZ Reaper X (2 x 2GB 1000MHz kit and runs at 1.8V:))- great board apart from the tRFC limit but that's ASUS for you.